Issue 32 – 14 July 2017 – rattuos
‘For the record’ is an interesting term with a fascinating history and it is the only reason I write here. What it means is that something stated is written, recorded anyway, for posterity. We should note that such records are not always reliable. If written and preserved as for example the pyramid texts have been, chiselled into stone for us, then they may have more reliability. But in fact they were written in stone many centuries after they first appeared and had been handed down in oral traditions that certainly altered, added to and lost some. So it is with most of the scriptures we have but the point is that we have done much better in recent centuries in finding, deciphering and preserving the earliest and most reliable records. Now much of this record is stored digitally but how long it will last we do not know. We have discovered that our videos, photos, CD’s and DVD’s are not indestructible and deteriorate over quite a short timescale. Books do not last well these days, not as long as the ancient papyri and parchments. Our limestone grave stones are mostly worn away by the weather and pollution and unreadable if over 200 years old. The Egyptians had the foresight to use granite which lasts very well even though Cleopatra’s needle is finding London’s weather and pollution to have caused more damage in 100 years there than Egypt managed in 3500. They also buried much deep underground in hidden chambers which in some cases defied the tomb robbers and left some record for us. The Indus Valley civilizations which are just as ancient as Egypt did not wear as well and their script has been impossible to translate so far. But they did leave much for the record as did the contemporaneous Sumerians. All these nations traded with each other and the record for that is found in Indus/Afghani lapis lazuli in Egyptian tombs dating to 4000BC etc.
Today I thought to look at some of these records and what they mean. And will start with this:
“There are multiple stories about the origins of the Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva. -Shrimad Bhagvatam states that Lord Shiva appeared from between the eyebrows of Lord Brahma. -Shiva Purana states that Lord Vishnu orignated when Lord Shiva rubbed some nectar on his ankle. -Vishnu Purana says that Lord Shiva originated from the eyebrows of the lord Vishnu, and that is why Lord Shiva is mostly in the meditative state”
(Incidentally the Shrimad is an ancient scripture “The Bhagavata is widely recognized as the best-known and most influential of the Puranas and, along with the Itihasa and other puranas, is sometimes referred to as the “Fifth Veda“. It is important in Indian religious literature for its emphasis on the practice of devotion as compared to the more theoretical approach of the Bhagavad Gita; for a definition of religion that competes with the Vedas and for its extended description of a God in human form. It is the source of many popular stories of Krishna’s childhood told for centuries on the Indian subcontinent and of legends explaining Hindu festivals such as Holi and Diwali. The Bhagavata declares itself the essence of all the Upanishads and derivative Smritis;
— Bhagavata Purana 12.13.15, Translated by David Haberman…”
And we can compare the Indian origin myth with an Egyptian one:
“(Budge The Gods of the Egyptians Thoth was said to be born from the skull of
Set also said to be born from the heart of Ra. p. 401)” Wikipedia
It is recorded that Thoth sprang from the forehead of the ancient god Sutekh (Set).
We can also bear in mind this:
“ The Bhagavata Purana, like other puranas, discusses a wide range of topics including cosmology, genealogy, geography, mythology, legend, music, dance, yoga and culture. As it begins, the forces of evil have won a war between the benevolent devas (deities) and evil asuras (demons) and now rule the universe. Truth re-emerges as Krishna, (called “Hari” and “Vasudeva” in the text) – first makes peace with the demons, understands them and then creatively defeats them, bringing back hope, justice, freedom and happiness – a cyclic theme that appears in many legends.
The Bhagavata Purana is a revered text in Vaishnavism, a Hindu tradition that reveres Vishnu. The text presents a form of religion (dharma) that competes with that of the Vedas, wherein bhakti ultimately leads to self-knowledge, liberation (moksha) and bliss. However the Bhagavata Purana asserts that the inner nature and outer form of Krishna is identical to the Vedas and that this is what rescues the world from the forces of evil. An oft-quoted verse is used by some Krishna sects to assert that the text itself is Krishna in literary form” Wikipedia
This last part explains something about the ‘record’. The deities that are recorded wield huge power through this record. A good example are those we find in the Bible, the Old Testament gods El and Yahweh/Jehovah and the New Testament Father, Son (Jesus) and Holy Ghost. Just by virtue of this record they have exercised huge power over multiple generations, religions and empires. Allah in the Koran has too. And if we look at the ancient cultures of Egypt and India we find the same thing. The records they pass on from one generation to the next are a ‘deity’ in themselves and looked at over thousands of years it becomes apparent that in fact they are the deity. Their origins lost in the mists of time. Or almost until we look deeper and find the first two records – that Shiva and Thoth both came from the forehead of someone else. They are the same person with different names, or put another way whatever they are has been given different names in different cultures and languages.
But to finish the ‘record’ part I would suggest it has never been very clearly understood although it is quite simple. One reason for that is that the philosophers who investigated it first did not have the full historical consequences of it to look at. The centuries during which the bibles and scriptures ruled humanity. But they did discuss it and called it the ‘word’ or Logos:
“Logos (UK: /’loʊgɒs, ‘lɒgɒs/, US: /’loʊgoʊs/; Ancient Greek: λόγος, from λέγω lego “I say”) is a term in western philosophy, psychology, rhetoric, and religion derived from a Greek word meaning “ground”, “plea”, “opinion”, “expectation”, “word”, “speech”, “account”, “reason”, “proportion”, “discourse”, but it became a technical term in philosophy beginning with Heraclitus (c. 535–475 BCE), who used the term for a principle of order and knowledge. Logos is the logic behind an argument. Logos tries to persuade an audience using logical arguments and supportive evidence. Logos is a persuasive technique often used in writing and rhetoric.
Ancient Greek philosophers used the term in different ways. The sophists used the term to mean discourse, and Aristotle applied the term to refer to “reasoned discourse” or “the argument” in the field of rhetoric. The Stoic philosophers identified the term with the divine animating principle pervading the Universe. Under Hellenistic Judaism, Philo (c. 20 BCE – 50 CE) adopted the term into Jewish philosophy. The Gospel of John identifies the Logos, through which all things are made, as divine (theos), and further identifies Jesus Christ as the incarnate Logos. Although the term “Logos” is widely used in this Christian sense, in academic circles it often refers to the various ancient Greek uses, or to post-Christian uses within contemporary philosophy, Sufism, and the analytical psychology of Carl Jung.
Despite the conventional translation as “word”, it is not used for a word in the grammatical sense; instead, the term lexis (λέξις) was used. However, both logos and lexis derive from the same verb legō (λέγω), meaning “count, tell, say, speak” Wikipedia
The gospel of John (“usually dated to AD 90–110” Wikipedia ie at least 40 years after Philo died) may have been influenced by Philo who lived in Egypt (“Some scholars hold that his concept of the Logos as God’s creative principle influenced early Christology. Other scholars deny direct influence but say that Philo and Early Christianity borrow from a common source – Wikipedia)
“ John 1King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave the power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake……”
In a sense when certain scholars maintain that Jesus was a spiritual concept and not a physical man this is what they mean by that.
In my meditations during the 1980’s I made contact with certain men and women in our distant past. I would not have been certain of this even though I experienced it but later found the record they had made of my visits which convinced me the experiences were real. I was comparatively young then and would not have acted as I did now. For example when I discovered that I was sitting before them in a camp fire I rubbed hot embers in my eyes. It was a silly thing to do but became something of a trademark. Although others have not been able to go back in time because of this and worries that any more doing so might cause major problems (I call that short circuiting time which is something mediums do when they ‘see‘ the future and tell others, presumably less problematic than going to the past and showing them the future) some have managed this kind of bilocation in their own times and also do silly things like cutting off their arms and putting them back on. In your spiritual form you can fly and do nature defying tricks – you will probably know that from what you do in your dream self. It is most unusual to acquire the spiritual ability to be seen be people who are awake. But I was guided to do quite serious work, invited many I met to visit me in my life and eventually realised that they had come en masse in 1971, met me and seen others like me at that festival – before I had even thought to travel back in my meditations. The point is that this ‘deity’ that comes out of your head is your spirit, and is only a spirit, not a god as such. But viewed by adepts in pre-history, who left record of this, that is how it has subsequently been interpreted. Not to mention the many myths added on to the original fact.
I have struggled to find colour photographs of that festival. I had a borrowed camera with me and certainly took some photos that have long since vanished. But in looking at the internet image resources I have seen again many of the people who were in that field of reeds in our west country, which is exactly how the Ancient Egyptians described it. Here there were Hare Krishna followers, a famous young Indian guru, priests and holy men of many kinds. Western fakirs were there quite naked sitting cross legged or in some contorted position. Half naked women danced as reported in the Islamic portrayal of what they call Paradise where there are supposedly high breasted houris (certainly not provided to murderous suicide bombers whatever they are told). There were ordinary Somerset villagers too and many of the world’s travelling hippies. Over the last 46 years I have spoken with quite a few who were there, although there were possibly only one or two thousand at most, a very small festival by today’s standards and nothing like the massive Woodstock which preceded it by two years and influenced it, as did the festivals in the Isle of Wight. The people there in 1971 that spoke with me mostly had quite intense mystical and spiritual experiences and almost all considered it the most enjoyable or meaningful time in their lives, influencing almost everything they did thereafter. Certainly many of them met the spirits who attended from their various times in our history and who recorded it in a similar fashion. Here are a few more photographs I found on the net for interest or nostalgia.
There are about 30 of them, some in colour, but you have to scroll the right way to find them. They seem to relate to a particular group of people there but may illustrate what I am suggesting about this curious gathering which has been such a huge influence on some of the most influential people on our planet over the last 6000 years. I am merely placing my view on the record, don’t worry about it if you disagree, strongly disagree or never find out about it.